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The Wanlorn ([personal profile] the_wanlorn) wrote2008-08-11 10:35 pm

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7) “I hit boys!” is not a strong feminist statement.

Buffy Summers - how I loathe what was done to this character - ended up forcing oral sex on a male character over his repeated verbal objections. To a musical sting. The writers, I am fairly certain, did not actually realise they had written a rape, particularly as this same character later attempted to rape Buffy, which was not treated as at all amusing.

See also: Men forcing demonic power into the First Slayer = metaphysical rape and utterly despicable. Buffy using Willow to force demonic power into possibly thousands of young women = empowering!

Women are entirely capable of stupid or evil decisions. But those decisions should be treated as such by the text, not lauded as a turning of the sexism tables.

from http://girl-wonder.org/girlsreadcomics/?p=21

[identity profile] shoiryu.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
I have a friend who does feminism that way, and only that way, and it drives me up the wall.

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
IT DRIVES ME CRAZY. Because, see, I'm pretty sure when people go "I'm not a feminist but..." and "I'd never call myself a feminist." and "I'm not like those feminists." THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THEY THINK OF AS FEMINISTS

[identity profile] moirarogers.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
... sometimes. :(

And the ones who tell Donna that she's a brainwashed moron who didn't actually make her own choices in life.

-Bree

[identity profile] pezzonovante.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
Will you marry me? :-D

[identity profile] carlanime.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
Yes to that entire list.
gaslightgallows: (Clackin it old school yo)

[personal profile] gaslightgallows 2008-08-12 10:35 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for posting that; I've bookmarked it for future reference, since you find a lot of the same stereotypes in current fantasy/scifi lit.

You wouldn't know offhand what BtVS episodes she's referring to, would you?

[identity profile] moirarogers.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
The episodes about sexual assault were the sixth season eps Gone and Seeing Red. Right off the top of my head, I can't remember the exact ep where they discuss the First Slayer, but it's right there at the end of the last season, right around the time Willow "activates" all the potential Slayers ...i.e., pretty much metaphysically rapes them, people. >: (

The so-called feminist shit in Buffy really drove me up the wall sometimes.

Donna

[identity profile] moirarogers.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
...whut? I have a good memory for stuff like that, except when I don't care, which was pretty much the case for the whole second half of the last season. LOL

Donna

[identity profile] moirarogers.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
MWAH! <3

Audrey wants to know when you're coming for another visit.

Donna

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2008-08-12 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahahahahaha as soon as I have time to spare!! If my family doesn't end up going to Myrtle Beach for Christmas, I might come down sometime around then since I won't have to be housesitting.