WARNING: RAPE. Also Leverage.

[the_wanlorn]

The Stork Job makes me flail so hard. Parker!angst and "I like how you turned out." and oh my god it's just the most marvelous episode ever. ILITSFM

Here, internet, have your morning dose of angry!

I got this link from post on Kate Harding's blog.

Why women don't fight back.

Comments

[bofoddity.livejournal.com]

That post struck way too close to home. :(

Meanwhile, I'm going through S1 of Leverage right now. The Stork Job is my favorite episode at the moment. So much Parker and Parker/Hardison goodness!

[techiemikey.livejournal.com]

wow...I don't know what to think about that.

While the idea seems true in the case of several incidents, it also seems not to be the case in other situations. This seems to be mostly talking about rape in a specific kind of situation, the type where the victim knew the attacker, as opposed to the type every college warns you against (going to parties alone and getting a spiked drink or walking alone and being preyed upon).

I know people where the problem was both ways. Either way, their advice doesn't hurt for people who arn't involved in what happened.

[soleta.livejournal.com]

it's really easy to denigrate things like this when they have absolutely no chance of ever happening to you.

ps: personal anecdotes != data.

[techiemikey.livejournal.com]

um...I think you misinterpreted what I said. I apologize for any miscommunication seeing as I have not had enough sleep/caffeine. From the sound of it (and number of comments I returned to) I have no idea what I accidentally conveyed, but it seems like it is not related to my point of view at all.

What I was trying to say is that the articles were addressing a specific kind of rape, which is the kind that is often not addressed by college campuses (at least where I went to school). I thought that was interesting, and the articles had good advice for what to do as a member of society to help prevent this.

PS. yes, I suck at writing/speaking. I know it.

[shadowkitty.livejournal.com]

Still not getting it.

[tl--dr.livejournal.com]

I think what you're doing that people are taking issue with is implying that this article ONLY addresses acquaintance rape. Reread the article and some of the comments you received to understand how it actually applies to all types of rape, and just to all male-female interactions in society. It's very true that rape by someone you know - from acquaintance rape to marital rape - is almost never addressed, and that's why people are getting annoyed that you're insisting stranger rape be addressed too, when 1) that's the only kind of rape that's discussed semi-regularly in the mainstream, despite occurring much less than acquaintance rape, so it feels like a derailment tactic to bring it up when something else is being given much-needed attention 2) lol, it is addressed.

[techiemikey.livejournal.com]

Ok, thank you answered alot of the questions I had.

I was trying to say stranger rape was not really addressed in the article (I realize afterwords it was, I just botched my comprehend English check today). I was also trying to say that my college didn't address the acquaintance to marital rape that the articles did.

I apologize for what I wrote and for improperly reading the article. If my proper views annoy people, I won't appologize for those, I just want to make sure people are angry at me for the right reasons, instead of wrong ones.

[soleta.livejournal.com]

that's... not at all what you said. it's not our fault if the words you used mean something different to you than they do to the rest of the population.

you know, I'm not entirely sure you caught the point of the article being discussed. you should probably go back and reread it.

[niav.livejournal.com]

I think misinterpretation is indeed easy with a medium like the internet where we can't hear someone's tone of voice, their expression as they say something, etc, and because of that it's harder to know what their intent is when they speak. However, though I can't speak for soleta or any of the other commenters, I don't feel I misinterpreted your comment. I got that you think the article has good advice for all of us and I totally agree, it's really important for us to speak up when we see a woman who feels intimidated or we see a man who's bullying or frightening a woman and I know I'm guilty of not doing it sometimes because I feel frightened of such men myself.

But I do think the article's main point (that is, this is why women don't fight back or stand up for themselves) isn't just about a specific kind of rape, even if it gives specific situations as examples. It's about a mindset taught to women from the day we're born that permeates and affects our every interaction with men (even really small stuff, like for examples in one of my classes there's another [male] student who interrupts me constantly and I never stick up for myself and tell him to stop even though it makes me so angry), and affects all rape, from rape where the woman knows her attacker to rape where a stranger corners her and attacks her.

I don't know, I'm not sure I'm expressing myself very well here. The post the_wanlorn linked is a lot more eloquent than I am.

[niav.livejournal.com]

Well, I think the point of the post wanlorn linked is that this kind of "you must be silent and submissive even when you're uncomfortable" mindset applies to women in every aspect of their life. Whether I'm being harassed by a creepy guy at a bus stop or I'm walking home and I'm attacked, it's very unlikely that I'll fight back (obviously, as I'm lucky enough to have never been attacked by a stranger I can't be sure of how I'd react but) because I've been told all my life that if I fight back I'm frigid, I'm hysterical, I'm overreacting and I'm in danger of being physically hurt. So I think it applies to basically every situation of rape. Not just rape either, but the majority of situations where any woman has to interact with a man.

[straussmonster.livejournal.com]

...what

[the-wanlorn.livejournal.com]

Women who are taught not to speak up too loudly or too forcefully or too adamantly or too demandingly are not going to shout “NO” at the top of their goddamn lungs just because some guy is getting uncomfortably close.

Women who are taught not to keep arguing are not going to keep saying “NO.”

Within the first screen-length of the post, there are two things that apply to every rape situation no matter whether the woman knows her attacker or not.

[techiemikey.livejournal.com]

Yep...that's right, I completely failed my read check. I'm sorry for being an asshole. Any way you'll help me send a public apologize for my stupidity?

[loveyouallwrong.livejournal.com]

I don't understand what you're getting at and I'd love for you to clarify your point. The article is saying that women are conditioned to follow a certain set of rules to keep themselves from harm, and part of those rules involve not making a big stink and it fails us in situations where we knew something was sketch, but didn't say anything until it was too late.

every college warns you against (going to parties alone and getting a spiked drink or walking alone and being preyed upon).

be careful here. you can be interpreted as suggesting a woman should know better than to go to a party alone because the consequences is rape.

[shadowkitty.livejournal.com]

No.

[cyprinella]

GTFO.

[sadface.livejournal.com]

You know what I hate, Nick? People who know episode titles and then use them to refer to the episode like everyone in the world is as weirdly obsessed with them as they are.

Also. SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, people who watch things and then are like "so you remember that episode where House bangs the pencil on the table three times" as a way of further explanation and you're just like GIVE ME THE KEY FACTS, FOR FUCKS SAKE.

[the-wanlorn.livejournal.com]

It's the episode where Haridosn says "I like how you turned out." WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED?

[sadface.livejournal.com]

Now I've read the other comments and feel like I should have had a more serious comment about rape. D:

[the-wanlorn.livejournal.com]

RAPE: IT'S BAD

(It's the episode where they got to Serbia and Parker rescues all the orphans in an orphanage that's a front for gunrunners. DO YOU NEED MORE DETAILS BECAUSE IT'S MY FAVORITE EPISODE SO I CAN KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.)

[niav.livejournal.com]

becky yesterday I was talking to wanlorn about Kiva and she said Taiga sounds like a dick. :( And every time I tried to defend him I sounded like I'd been totally stockholm syndrome'd.

[sadface.livejournal.com]

Ohhhhhh that's who she was talking about. I WAS SO CONFUSED.

AND NOW

HORRIFIED. D:

[niav.livejournal.com]

he's not a dick :(

[the-wanlorn.livejournal.com]

TAIGA IS A DICK.

[i-am-your-spy.livejournal.com]

I love the shit out of Leverage.

Also that post. Yeah.