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The Wanlorn ([personal profile] the_wanlorn) wrote2009-08-11 02:37 pm
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In which my unpopular opinions are actually unpopular


  1. "Fannish activism" is laughable. Protip: tinting your icon green helps nothing, since the only people who are going to see it are a small group of like-minded people. Know what does help? Actually leaving your house and getting information out to people who do not have the same ready access to it that fandom does.

  2. Captain America is a disgusting character. At the top of the list of his faults is he's the sort who would have supported the war in Iraq because "We're helping free those poor people from nasty oppression and bringing them awesome democracy *_________*" and the writers wouldn't be condemning this viewpoint because he's Captain America and he's always right.

  3. Fandom's fetishization of gay men and dislike of gay women is fucking creepy.

  4. Buffy: Not that feminist. Hey, let's have another episode where Buffy's punished for having sex! WOOHOO!

  5. Fandom: Not that progressive. Fandom-at-large's utter refusal to take a look at its own classism, misogyny, ableism, and transphobia is largely what caused me to decide to mainly participate in my fandom-of-close-friends instead of Fandom-at-large. It's a privilege for white middle-class fandom (aka the majority of fandom) to spend its time and energy (that is, what time and energy it deigns to focus on and talk about any -ism) focusing on racism (just like I'm privileged to be able to spend my energy focusing on other -isms), and the fact that fandom refuses to acknowledge that makes me want to burn buildings down.



Bring it.

[identity profile] shoiryu.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually I pretty much agree with all of these! \o/

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
THAT IS NOT BRINGING IT, DAMN IT.

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[personal profile] cyprinella 2009-08-11 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
IAWTC. Which was unexpected.

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[identity profile] sadface.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK I WILL EVER GET BORED OF THESE TOP 5 THINGS ALL OVER MY FLIST.






OH WAIT.

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
YEAH WELL I'M BORED OF YOUR FACE.




And by face, I mean icon.

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[identity profile] fox1013.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
YOUR FACE IS A FANNISH ACTIVISM.

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
YOUR MOM IS A FANNISH ACTIVISM.

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[identity profile] sadface.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 07:02 pm (UTC)(link)
The weird thing about Captain America, speaking as a Brit, is that he embodies everything I think is wrong with the country as a whole. I think anyone that promotes patriotism above all, that same kind of mentality that has you sticking fucking flags on your cars and flying them in your yards and acting like America is all fucking that, is pretty disgusting at best and thinly veiled racism at worse.

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the thinly veiled racism thing is what I was trying to imply thar. I AM IMPRESSED THAT YOU GOT IT.

Basically, IAWTC. I think it's really, really shitty to portray the character representing your country as Always Being Right. It says a lot, you know?

I mean, imagine if Captain Britain was like that!

[identity profile] graymary.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
iawtc D: i never thought about it that way. oh man blugh! the taste won't come out of my mouth!

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[identity profile] graymary.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
HOW ARE THESE UNPOPULAR

THEY'RE POPULAR WITH ME

Especially 3 and 1. Oh yeah.

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 07:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Three really fucking bothers me. Especially how a lot of people who are known in fandom for being big ladyslash advocates, if you look at what they write/read it's still mainly dudeslash or het.

I just. Why do you not like ladies, fandom :(

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[identity profile] loveyouallwrong.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I HATE EVERYONE WHO TINTS THEIR ICON GREEN OH MY GOD

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I was okay with it until people started getting all back-pat-y about it. At which point it turned into rage because it's a fucking icon that's seen by maybe 1% of the internet fandom is neither that big nor that important you dumb sacks of shit what is wrong with youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

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[identity profile] sadface.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
My dad doesn't participate in fandom but I kept him up to date with the election stuff that I was following online (through fandom, because I'm an armchair activist) and really, it didn't really do a lot - I mean, he thought it sucked but generally the idea that everyone online though they were making this massive difference didn't really mean a lot to him wrt the situation.

What did make a difference was bumping into three young Iranian people in a pub, just after a rally, and them being scared to tell him that they were from Iran, watching them initially deny that they were - that they had been anywhere near the rally - because they were worried about what would happen to their families if he wasn't just some guy getting drunk after a day out.

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I don't really have anything to say to that because oh my god. D:

[identity profile] azarias.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Pretty much AWTunpopularopinion, except that

he's the sort who would have supported the war in Iraq because

depends on who's writing him. Ulti-verse? Yeah. Always. 616 Cap varies wildly depending on if the person writing him is a jingoistic asshole or not. He's an easy character to screw up, but at his best, he's, for example, a big fan of France because he admired the hell out of how the French people responded to Nazi occupation.

ALSO MATT MURDOCH MADE HIM CRY ONCE AND THAT MAKES MATT A BAD PERSON, OKAY? YES.

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WIFE MATT SO FUCKING HARD.

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[identity profile] bofoddity.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
..green-tinted icons what?

Agree with these so hard. Though I still insist on pushing my head to the Fandom-at-large-oven for some reason, but who knows, maybe I'll finally light up.

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Every so often I do get, um, not bored with my friends, but I feel the desire to reach out to the rest of fandom and widen my social circle.

And then I cry a little and cut myself off from them again because oh my god how can they all be such terrible people D:

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[identity profile] sadface.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Sometimes in my fandom they write the men as girls and they do have sex sometimes but most of it is about how they're hormonal and they cry all the time and they have body image issues. really.
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[personal profile] ishie 2009-08-11 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think I like your fandom. :(

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[personal profile] ishie 2009-08-11 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Can I bring a giant IAWTC EXCEPT FOR THE BITS ABOUT CAPTAIN AMERICA BECAUSE ALL INO ABOUT HIM IS THAT HIS NAME IS CAPTAIN AMERICA AND HE AT ONE POINT MAYBE HAD A HELMET? Because if so, it's already been broughten.

And if not I will guess SPN some more. :D

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
>:( YOU KNOW OTHER PEOPLE JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR CAPTAIN AMERICA BEING A SHITHEAD WHY CAN'T YOU >:(

True story: Number 5 was originally "People who ship Mulder/Krycek are actualfax terrorists." and then I was like "No, that's not an unpopular opinion, I'll replace it with something unpopular."

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[identity profile] ms-treesap.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
IAWT 2 SO FUCKING HARD

[identity profile] tl--dr.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Why are all the comments on this post so cute >:( I expected fighting.

[identity profile] sadface.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Don't! She's already very upset about the whole affair.

[identity profile] hotforbabyleg.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
but i agree with all of those things......

[identity profile] inkdot.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
GOD I HATE YOU. NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR OPINIONS, BUT BECAUSE OF THIS COMPLETE LACK OF HATEFUL RESPONSE TO YOUR OPINIONS.

MODLORN >:(

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
O:) Evil Jiminy Cricket!

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[identity profile] chocolatepot.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah I basically agree with these, 1, 3, & 5 the most because there's very little that enrages me more in fandom than the tendency to be self-righteous about how progressive and activist writing fic or otherwise communicating with a laughably small insular community is.

[identity profile] cidercupcakes.livejournal.com 2009-08-11 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Change #2 to "Joss Whedon" in general, and IAW most of these so hard. Ugh, fandom, shut the fuck up.

[identity profile] chickenteeth.livejournal.com 2009-08-12 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
number three oh lawdy

there's a friend of mine who got really upset when Torchwood killed off Ianto. She used to love the show to death, but now she LOATHES it. Plus, she only watches shows with gay in them. ugh ugh

[identity profile] sadface.livejournal.com 2009-08-12 12:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I SEE NO-ONE TURNED UP TO BE HATEFUL WHILE I WAS SLEEPING.

I TRIED FOR YOU, NICK, I REALLY, REALLY TRIED.

[identity profile] the-wanlorn.livejournal.com 2009-08-12 12:34 pm (UTC)(link)
ino bb ino :( Apparently all the people agreeing in the comments are intimidating or some shit like that.